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March 23rd, 2007

6:52 PM

Torquere Press

Did I spell it right?

Anyone has any recommendations for me from Torquere Press? I'm thinking of getting an M/M romance written by a guy to see if there is any noticeable difference in points-in-view of characters and all, so any good one to start will be nice. You know ebooks, it's hard to rely on a small snippet given to judge what's inside.

24 comment(s).

Posted by Alessia Brio:

Kris Dylan is worth a read:


(Another Lit colleague gone pro.)
March 23rd, 2007 @ 7:25 PM

Posted by Rosario:

I like Stephanie Vaughan.
March 23rd, 2007 @ 8:49 PM

Posted by shari:

Try Sean Michael. He writes a large variety. For a sampling try: "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" - porny, "Secrets, Skin & Leather" - kinky, "Brokenroad" - sentimental and moving, and "First Steps" - sweet & different than the norm.
March 23rd, 2007 @ 9:16 PM

Posted by Anne Douglas:

Bobby Michaels at Loose Id is a gay man, as is TA Chase at Loose Id/Liquid Silver books.

Two very different styles, too.
March 23rd, 2007 @ 11:19 PM

Posted by emily veinglory:

Don't go by the names or use of 'he'. As far as I know the gender ratio of writers at Torquere is similar to other places--they sprang explicitly from a slash community which is almost entirely female. Torquere just have the sense to market in a more gender neutral way not strew the website with petals and clinch pictures. Very few male writers write M/M per se (gay genre romance) and you need to get recommendations to know they are really XY. Also some erotic romance publishers put out gay fiction that is not M/M but actual gay ficton (e.g. Josh Lanyon's mystery series upcoming in reprint at Loose Id, which is excellent)
March 24th, 2007 @ 12:24 AM

Posted by Emily (again):

p.s. you can see some genuinely XY writers here that will align with M/M, as well as female who will make an effort to markt to gay men--a selection of some writers on the crossover point :)

March 24th, 2007 @ 12:38 AM

Posted by AV:

Emily's quite right from what I've seen--I know a number of female writers that use a masculine name (as opposed to an ambiguous name), with bios presenting themselves as males, and present on lists (including professional lists as opposed to reader lists) as males but are girls.
March 24th, 2007 @ 4:39 AM

Posted by tinygreyhound:

I've read some of Bobby Michaels's stuff at Loose-id and there is definitely a difference between M/M written by men and the M/M written by women (at least that's been my experience). I like him but definitely the sex acts/sex talk is different--I've read a lot of M/M written by women and Bobby has sex acts in his books that NEVER showed up in my female-written M/M.
March 24th, 2007 @ 5:40 AM

Posted by Barbara B.:

I'll second the Sean Michael recommendation. I really prefer M/M written by men. Much, much hotter!
March 24th, 2007 @ 6:48 AM

Posted by Jules Jones:

I think the "sex acts" thing is partly a matter of which market you started in and your current focus. There's stuff I wouldn't put in something I planned to sell to Loose Id, because it would simply throw a reader out of the story if she'd never run into it before. I can't (yet) expect a romance reader to be familiar with the range of activities that the average gay porn reader or average slash fanfic reader (in my fandom, anyway) would consider part of the normal reading.
March 24th, 2007 @ 6:58 AM

Posted by cathy:

Check out Chris Owen's Bareback and Natural Disaster.
March 24th, 2007 @ 7:22 AM

Posted by Emily Veinglory:

If you want more gritty explicit varied sex start with Ally Blue, head for Mel Keegan and... well, probably leave the city limits of romance pretty quickly :) Same general deal as with MF.
March 24th, 2007 @ 7:52 AM

Posted by James Buchanan:

Oh come on Jules... you don't think romance readers would get into arm pit licking?

Rauchy and hard core vs. sweet sensual are at extream ends at any press. My stuff is far harder then the other James at Torquere (although I liked Downtime, it "glosses" the sex). Liam Moran's book is hard core, but has HEA and Gay Marriage. Sean's guys are tender, they say "I love you." People are just all over the map.
March 24th, 2007 @ 8:27 AM

Posted by Mrs G:

Thanks, thanks, thanks for the suggestions.
March 24th, 2007 @ 8:57 AM

Posted by Jules Jones:

James, I'm not just thinking about squick factors. I'm thinking about unfamiliarity -- if I write about two guys docking, it's probably going to throw out a mainstream romance reader just because he/she is trying to work out what on earth is going on. I have a copy of the Encyclodpedia of Unusual Sexual Practices, and I'm not afraid to use it -- but I tend to keep the more outre stuff for fanfic. People who are used to M Fae Glasgow's little meditations on the human condition can certainly handle my musings.

Though squick (and legal issues), certainly come into it. Remember that I had to tone down one scene in Mindscan because it kicked a hole in LI's boundaries.
March 24th, 2007 @ 10:27 AM

Posted by Anne Douglas:

Jules, I agree with you on the familiarity factor. I was lucky enough to read Jock dorm 1 (bobbyM) for peer review - first thing I thought was 'this sounds like a really, really good story from asstr.org or from the nifty archives. Since I've read from there before it didn't phase me too much/squick me, though I felt differently with jock dorm 2.
I love all these different view points (esp from the men), good topic to be looking into Mrs.G.
March 24th, 2007 @ 11:14 AM

Posted by Mrs G:

Anne Douglas - your name sounds familiar. You don't happen to be the same Anne Douglas of ASSTR and the naughty online stories, do you?

Should I be afraid that I know what "docking" means? Sometimes I'm sure my kids will be really scared if they know what their mother knows, heh.
March 24th, 2007 @ 11:35 AM

Posted by James Buchanan:

True, I had to explain docking once on a list. It was amusing.

Actually I wasn't thinking of it as squick when I wrote that... just that it doesn't occur that much in romance circles. I think, in large part, the squick comes down to how it's written.

Some of these issues are publisher driven, what the editorial staff's squick factor is (not counting the let's keep it legal in the US where most of our books are sold). I've had to pull the word "Bitch" as a term of endermeant between characters becasue "I might offend female readers." Which was kinda funny given that the boiz called women "bitch" in various places... One of my publishers will tolerate Brother or Cousin m/m incest while the other won't.
March 24th, 2007 @ 11:35 AM

Posted by Jules Jones:

And of course things change with time. A year ago I sent a note to my editor saying, "the logical way for this story to develop, it's going to end up with the human under one of the shapeshifters in his native form. Do I have to avoid that?" To which the answer was that it had been done at least once but under strict conditions, so I could write the scene but I'd have to be very, very careful to make it clear that it was a human mind inside the animal body.

A couple of weeks ago I sent my editor an email saying, "I know that what with all the hot werewolf stories that have come out in the last year, a lot of readers are going to expect a physical sex scene when the guy is still trapped inside the hellhound body, but I don't think these characters are going to want to do that. Do I have to?" (To which the answer was no.)

Naturally, the first book is coming out in a couple of weeks. I needn't have worried, really...
March 24th, 2007 @ 11:55 AM

Posted by Anne Douglas:

Mrs G - Anne Douglas and Me, Anne Douglas are definitely not the same person. I did a big slap on the forehead when I found out she existed though. No fanfic in my dirty past ;)
March 24th, 2007 @ 12:21 PM

Posted by Anne Douglas:

frick - Ann Douglas and me, Anne Douglas.... stupid typing in the dark! Oh and I'm also not the Anne Douglas, married to Kirk, nor the one who writes mother/baby books :o
March 24th, 2007 @ 12:23 PM

Posted by Shari:

No need to be afraid of knowing what "docking" means Mrs. G. I know it too. I do enjoy reading about some of the grittier sex practices of gay men.
March 24th, 2007 @ 10:46 PM

Posted by tinygreyhound:

Wow, this is an interesting discussion. I think Jules hit it on the head, though, because as a woman who has only been reading M/M for about a year and who thought she was reasonably well informed, I definitely have moments where I have to go "huh"? and then try and figure out what the heck they're doing. Thank god for the internet. Just amazes me sometimes how clueless I am about these things. :)
March 28th, 2007 @ 12:29 AM

Posted by BevL (QB):

I could not agree more on the Sean Michael recommendations. I've enjoyed everything of his (hers?) I've read. If you read the Jarheads series, make sure to read them in order. I fell in love with those boys, but even I would occasionally say "Enough with the sex... get on with the story!"

And, since I'm seeing the author here in your comments, if you haven't read Jules Jones "Syndicate" series from Loose-Id yet, please do so. I don't even like futuristic sci-fi but I adored these funny/sexy stories.
March 28th, 2007 @ 4:39 AM