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March 11th, 2009

11:25 PM

And you think Romance Land is bad?

Ann Somerville has nicely chronicled a beautiful drama involving sockpuppets, accusations of racism, sci-fi authors attacking bloggers, lawyers behaving badly, sci-fi editors outing sockpuppets, deletions of Livejournal accounts, and, I've no doubt, thousands of flounces and sleepless nights in between. I can't link to her blog since Ann has banned any traffic from this blog to hers - don't ask - but I can type out the URL here for you to cut and paste:


I blame Livejournal. Something about that blog software turns normal kids and adults into berserk online flame warriors determined to have the last word at all costs. Is it the color they use, you think?

9 comment(s).

Posted by Teddypig:

Teddypig's proper web manners...

NEVER JOIN any website that promotes "friends, friending, us/them" or uses the term "social network" to describe itself.

It will eventually erupt into pointless anonymous bickering and name calling and it is easier to just watch it all blow up from afar.

You cannot have an adult discussion in a kids shouting match. Since setting up accounts on most of these social places requires little to no skill or cost to setup most users tend to treat their free podium with as much respect as they put effort into creating it.
March 12th, 2009 @ 1:54 AM

Posted by Nonny:


Please don't bash LJ for the behavior of its members. I've seen similarly extreme drama across plenty of Blogger / Wordpress blogs. (It doesn't exactly take much to create a new Blogger or WP account these days, either... and it's pretty obvious when a user name is a sockpuppet on any of them. LJ will tell you how many posts the journal has in the user profile, if not show the content. I believe it shows creation date somewhere too.)

Don't blame the platform, blame the people. ;)

(and man, I have been staying out of this particular drama. Yeesh.)
March 12th, 2009 @ 4:50 AM

Posted by Louise Van Hine:

I was just looking at this... well, skimming it actually, so I guess I'm not qualified to make an assessment of who is behaving more badly. I can say I have been involved in several racism discussions recently that stem from the mainstream headlines, and it seems like at least in the USA, we are heading into a public discourse which Obama referred to as "race as spectacle", and there is a lot of tomato throwing by all sides of the argument; those who posture innocently and say "I don't know anything about watermelons being a racist image" and defending themselves with inane statements like "I like watermelon and I'm not black", and equally-indignant claims by the other side of the argument saying "How could you not know, of course you knew!" And as these things tend to go, they go round and round cyclically until everybody hates everyone else. I wonder if anyone's mind ever gets changed?
March 12th, 2009 @ 5:29 AM

Posted by Teddypig:

I've seen similarly extreme drama across plenty of Blogger / Wordpress blogs.

Sorry but we are talking about what type of sites "tend" more often than not to attract this type of wank. When it comes to what site I see more often than not attracting this type of behavior well...

LJ wins hands down!

The whole "friends, friending, us/them" behavior seems to spur this type of thing. Yes, I do remember that blog rolls and linking also created some drama but that seem to be less and less of a big deal.
March 12th, 2009 @ 10:44 AM

Posted by Ciar Cullen:

Why do you do this to me? :(
Sigh, to look or not look?
March 13th, 2009 @ 3:53 AM

Posted by Teddypig:

The whole wank has turned itself into not so much about whatever it started about as it has become simply a brawl with people throwing punches for the hell of it.
March 13th, 2009 @ 8:44 AM

Posted by kirsten saell:

There goes Teddy, talking out of his white male privilege again. Bad pig! :P
March 13th, 2009 @ 1:16 PM

Posted by kirsten saell:

Heh, Teddy, as I've said elsewhere, if I never hear the word "privilege" again, it'll be 50 billion years too soon. Yeah, we all have some kind of...that. But I keep seeing it used as a way to discredit people out of hand, or silence them. "Oh, you can't possibly understand how it feeeeeels to be discriminated against because you have white/gender/het/whatever privilege, so why don't you just shut up and go away!"

Maybe I should go away. A white sandy beach would be nice just now...
March 14th, 2009 @ 1:41 AM

Posted by Teddypig:

Well, when people are yelling at me and telling me I will never understand them or their POV or even what they are saying because I just won't ever "get it".

Then generally I think changing the channel or going to a sandy beach is far more preferable.

I figure if they are not intelligent enough to communicate their point in a way that everyone can understand then they should have never opened their mouth to begin with and they are wasting my time.
March 14th, 2009 @ 2:56 AM